Saturday, January 20, 2018

How the Men's Movement came to embrace pedophile rights

I have noticed something funny. Outside of my own blog, The Anti-Feminist, Holocaust21 and Steve Moxon, there appears to be more activism for pedophilia than hebephilia and ephebophilia. Isn't it funny that there are more people extolling the virtues of attraction to 7-year-olds than 17-year-olds, if my impression is correct? Despite this kind of attraction being so normal that no one can tell the difference on a blind test, someone who goes to jail for sex with a 17-year-old or a picture of a 17-year-old gets almost no support, except from the four MRA blogs mentioned and what exists incidentally on pedophile forums.

But I think I know why. Hebephiles and especially ephebophiles are just normal men who are arbitrarily criminalized, so they lack an identity of their own for the very same reason. Even the words used here to describe them are not in common use, because there is truly no good reason to set them apart. Why should someone who is the victim of an arbitrary age of consent, or even more arbitrarily being four rather than three years older than his 15-year-old girlfriend or something like that, have an identity? The only thing they have in common is blind criminalization, so no wonder they feel no unity. Pedophiles, on the other hand, with their attraction to prepubescent children truly are different than the majority, so it is not surprising that they form communities of the like-minded, whether they are politicized in favor of legalization or of the "non-offending" variety.

This brings me to the question: should pedophile rights be an MRA issue? I don't have the energy to answer this question definitively right now, but suffice it to say that we wouldn't have a movement to speak of without that kind of activism. Someone like Tom Grauer would not exist or be interesting beyond the hard core of MRAs without the inclusion of pedophile rights. And I did proclaim him our new leader for a reason. I invite further discussion in the comments.

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Anonymous said...

My name is Gally.
I should tie that to a verifiable identity, and I shall do so at the nearest opportunity.

I identify as a hebephile (and strictly heterophile), meaning I am attracted to young girls in early puberty.
This is where it gets fuzzy, rather than the black-or-white moralistic view of "the age of consent is [insert random number]".
For an age range in my case I'd say 8 years old for social attraction (having meaningfull conversations with), 10 years old for friendship attraction (having conversations where you take their developing feelings into view and so on), and on from that they are in my view confident, courious, and courageous (if in a sex-positive culture) to express their interest(s) in exploring more intimate social interactions.

Now, what I find interesting is that for example Maslow's hierarchy of needs has listed sexuality at the very basic level but it isn't being acknowledged as a basic human need / desire.

Please do not interpret me here; I am not arguing that I should be allowed to access child pornography or have sex with somebody under the age of legally acknowledged consent in the respective nation and history in question, I am merely trying to say that maybe if we acknowledged that desire is not the same as action, then we would could avoid convincing people that they are doomed to offend.

Anonymous said...

*MIS-interpret, sorry

Eivind Berge said...

All MRAs agree that we need to abolish the criminalization of child pornography and lower, if not abolish, the age of consent. I have never argued that the age of consent needs to be lower than 12 or 13, which wouldn't include your orientation then, but I see now that the Men's Rights Movement isn't going anywhere unless we become more inclusive, so we need to be more tolerant of sex-positive diversity. After decades of banging our heads against a brick wall, we are finally gaining some traction because we are doing just that. Welcome to the Men's Movement, Gally -- it is thanks to men like you that we are finally getting ready to make a difference.

Anonymous said...

Also, this is very much a sidenote, but I got to read the papers of my case (d/l cp), and...
Let's just say, pending legally qualified expert advice, I do suspect some fowl play may be pointed out.

Also, since it's a Saturday and I enjoy whimsical youtube videos, let me use this one as a caseholder for what my fighting spirit is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YgGzAKP_HuM

Anonymous said...

My post got sent before I read yours, so thank you!

I do believe I will find this year interesting.

Anonymous said...

I've noticed a lot of talk about pedo/hebephilia in your comments section, Eivind. I don't exactly know why that is. There is overlap between MRA and pedophilia/hebephilia activism (let's just call it MAP activism for now, short for Minor Attracted Person), sure, in that the modern witch-hunts against MAPs depend upon the assumption that male sexuality is inherently predatory and exploitative. However, MRA seems to encompass much more than that, and those activists who focus on the other aspects will be... less than welcoming, shall we say, to the idea of inviting pedophiles into their fold. I certainly appreciate you for talking about this, Eivind, but I question how wise it is. That is, unless you still crave more controversy...

A suspicion I have as to the overlap is also that MRAs are unlikely to skew leftist (due to feminist doctrine festering in all corners of the modern left), and also unlikely to skew tradcon, due to them being almost equally gynocentric (though in a different way to the leftists). MAPs of the non self-hating variety also seem to lean either centrist or libertarian right for similar reasons. The sex-hostility of the left and the tradcons make such circles unlivable for us. I'm sympathetic to certain alt-right ideas myself (don't get me wrong, I'm not about to start praising Hitler any time soon), but I can't throw my lot in with puritans who would hang me for the "crime" of simply existing as myself.

Anonymous said...

hey, the "hebephile" guy take a look at this.

https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/18/we-should-call-ourselves-male-sexualists-because-the-alternatives-suck-even-more/

Anonymous said...

"hey, the "hebephile" guy take a look at this."

Yeah okay, read it. Give me a few hours and I'll establish my ID and comment.

- Gally

Anonymous said...

Some females mature quickly. For example, a 15 year old with a DD sized bra. Any healthy MAN should find that appealing. It is currently CRIMINALIZED because of feminist and puritanical beliefs.

That said, it is a rough road to travel down, as there are disturbed people who want to HURT children. They are NOT NORMAL MEN with normal sexual drives.

By defending the NORMAL male sex drive, the sick real pedos will piggy back the ride.

Feminists and others are incapable of distinguishing those two types, so any compromising on their part will open doors for real pedos.

Anonymous said...

That's the reason I felt discouraged. You can go for diversity but I can't stand a (real) pedophile american rifleman who thinks how is great to bomb muslims and who teaches me how awesome is having intercourses with 7 or 8 years old females.
Are you for diversity, Evind? Well, I'm really not in this kind (but I do think that the Whole Pedophilia as unharmful sexual actions that would be Always damaging against female children is totally fake and hyped, sice it's crminalisation I a Worldwide NEW trend supported by corrupted "scientists") of diversity.
But, of course, since they have made normality a crime, from a moral pov nothing is a crime anymore so I started to support (real) pedophiles just to piss off feminists and manginas.

I limit myself on linking this post:

http://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.com/2018/01/anonymous-and-ripper-on-manifest.html#comment-form

Here you can read about some male angloamerican cunts telling us how europe is awesome and Norwegian, sweden, french girls are not feminists and open to men. "THEY (european girls) DO LOVE MEN"....
Anything to say about it, Eivind?
I never read something delusional like this (out of feminist texts, of course).

Hallah Hafiz, brothers.

Eivind Berge said...

You pretty much sum up my position yourself:

"But, of course, since they have made normality a crime, from a moral pov nothing is a crime anymore so I started to support (real) pedophiles just to piss off feminists and manginas."

It has come to this. Even self-described men's groups, such as the Roosh forum, are aligned with feminist anti-sex morality in most ways. They are manginas. So why not go all out and embrace any opposition we can to hurt them maximally? I don't agree with supporting Islamophobia, however, because Muslims are potentially greater allies than pedophiles.

And I can assure you that the #metoo hysteria is just as strong in Norway, so there is no escape from any aspect of feminism here.

Anonymous said...

"And I can assure you that the #metoo hysteria is just as strong in Norway, so there is no escape from any aspect of feminism here."

Just tell that to the idiotic angloamerican expats who wrote the texts in the link I posted up there. They are depicting Europe like if it was a non feminist / antifeminist heaven. Places like France and Norway!!!!
Once again, the anglo american male population proves that they are the real problem of humanity and I'm not about the manginas, but the self described antifeminists alt-rightists islamophobes who are still proud to have been a u.s. marine or something like.
I can't get why they can't see which one the real situation is... that to me it's so simply and easy.

Allah Hafiz, bro.

gally-a-z-0-9 said...

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god am I going to have to setup my own openid server

Anonymous said...

Gally again, fuck it nobody's going to pretend to be me anyway so shelving verifiability of my account for now - yeah I could do it with google, but they want my phone number and even though I have an untraceable one that is not good OPSEC.

My apologies for not having been on the ball on this issue as much as it may deserve, but I have been otherwise occupied / predisposed.

Okay, so what we have here is the issue of male sexuality, and how do we talk about that when there seems to be some confusion about the Mens' Rights Movement - and Activists - and issues such as pro-sexuality societies and anti-sexuality societies.

For my part, I am (as you may know) attracted to tweens, but what I have not been talking about is ethics, consent, and being considerate. Or, /development/ in general - *cognitive*, and perhaps more importantly, _moral_ .
In other words, distinguishing between Right & Wrong.

I've had the pleasure of experiencing lessons in life that I would not have chosen of my own accord, and for that reason I would like it very much if I, @Eivind, were to be given the opportunity to write a guest-post on your blog.
I would try to clarify some of the issues, and being as I am coming more from the hebephile / pedophile community - and you know my identity - I think I could make a decent attempt at trying to clarify what I fear many see as muddled waters.


Anonymous said...

Also I am an insufferable youtube faggu, so : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DECZmhwDERI

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, anonymous comments are fine if you don't want to do the verification. I am also happy to accept a guest post from you, Gally. Just email it to me when you are ready.

There is finally some excitement in the Men's Movement again! We are growing, even if it is by welcoming pedophiles and hebephiles into our fold, and yes, there are controversial issues to sort out, but we do that by bringing them out in the open. So let's hear what you have to say.

Tal Hartsfeld said...

I'm not too keen on "pedophile rights".
That's a little TOO extreme---way over the line.
What's next? "Serial killers' rights"?
Now, an attraction to older teens I can understand. And also pointing out how arbitrary and subjective the "age of consent" laws are. That's another story altogether.

Eivind Berge said...

See this:

https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/they-called-me-a-pedophile-so-i-became-one/

It's not another story to disagree with the age of consent laws even a little bit, because that makes you a pedophile in the idiotic opinion of our enemies. We are all political "pedophiles" just because we are MRAs, so why not turn that status around to something positive? Agree and amplify, unite with real pedophiles (obviously not those who really want to hurt children, but they are so rare that I don't even know any), and advance sex-positive men's rights as a stronger force.

Anonymous said...

"I'm not too keen on 'pedophile rights'."

That I understand, but we want to help people who need help, get it BEFORE they offend because they have been given no help and also convinced that they are offenders.

Anonymous said...

Opinion?
http://metro.co.uk/2017/10/27/teenage-girls-want-relationships-with-older-men-thats-why-its-their-responsibility-to-say-no-7032490/amp/

Anonymous said...

Hei, Keen "Tal Hartsfeld" Eddy, where that line "I'm not too keen on 'pedophile rights'." comes from?
Loser.

Eivind Berge said...

Just the usual misandry which interprets any and all aspects of reality as sexual abuse. According to the feminist worldview, if a girl likes you, that too is evidence that men are disgusting/abusive/groomers/harassers/etc. What else is new?

And of course the crap about power differences in favor of older men, which is complete bullshit. Girls hold all the sexual power while males start out with none and steadily become more irrelevant with age. When despite all this a girl is attracted to you, however, of course it is not your "responsibility" to say no -- it is your right to enjoy her.

This is the pro-male-sexuality movement, where we don't tolerate such nonsense.

Anonymous said...

There is no such thing like power difference or asymmetrical relationship, while there is a fake antifeminist shithead that I'm enjoying to fight with facts on here:

https://kshatriya-anglobitch.blogspot.it/2018/01/anonymous-and-ripper-on-manifest.html?showComment

look for the gearman.... the name says it all. That retarded really thinks that scandinavia is the heaven.... LOL!
Read if u have spare time and want fun (or getting angry like if a feminist was speaking). With such "activists", we dont need feminist foes to fight.

Allah Hafiz, Eivind

Anonymous said...

Of course she thinks men shouldn't date younger girls and judges those who do - now that she's older herself. I my early 20s a comment like that would hurt me deeply - as I would despair over a lonely and unhappy future. Now though, I see throigh it. It's obvious, really. When she was younger, she wanted to date older guys. Now that she's older, she judges guys who want to date younger girls, and thinks they should date women their own age. Gee, I wonder what changed...

I'm sick of it. I'm not a "predator", nor am I "sad" for following my heart. I am a loving person, and I am done being ashamed. I think sexuality can be a beautiful thing - making love is not an act of hostility. These feminists may claim to be "pro-sex" as well, but their actions speak louder than their words.

Let's just hope this accellerated hysteria leads to their doctrine collapsing sooner than expected.

Eivind Berge said...

Perhaps the anti-sex hysteria will collapse, but I am not seeing any signs of that yet. Perhaps we are now witnessing women's true nature, which will be expressed as long as conditions allow. Perhaps this or worse is how a "gender-equal" society looks like. "Equality" is taken to mean that the most hateful feminist sensibility is normative, against which it is forbidden to discriminate, and no one questions this premise outside our tiny movement. I am sure business owners are starting realize how dangerous women are in the workplace and will do everything they can to avoid hiring them, but feminism has that covered as well with other anti-discrimination laws, so this can go on for as long as our civilization lasts.

Eivind Berge said...

To my Muslim commenter above, as an example of just how hateful the climate is in Norway, here is an article stating how awful it is that men find young nurses sexy:

https://www.nrk.no/ho/_-vi-far-hore-fra-pasienter-at-det-er-sexy-med-sykepleiere_-saerlig-de-unge-1.13880477

Which of course is "sexual harassment." The very feeling of thinking women are sexy is sexual harassment. The level of hatred against male sexuality is now so strong that it can't get any worse without physically starting to castrate men.

Eivind Berge said...

It is a depressing thought, but reality is now unmistakable as such. Most women hate men so much that they will use whatever violence they can control to crack down on male sexuality. Even if it is as innocent as a compliment that they are sexy, it deserves an infinite violent reaction in their minds.

Just like the male sexual utopia is unlimited sexual access to young women, the female sexual utopia is to eliminate all unwanted sexual attention, which is most of male sexuality, since the male sex drive is spectacularly overproduced by nature compared to the demand for it from women.

So this is what untrammeled female power looks like, or perhaps just the barest beginnings of it.

holocaust21 said...

I think the issue with not including paedophile rights is that then intellectually you haven't solved anything. You've merely tinkered with the age of consent. What's to stop them tinkering it back? And wherever you put the age of consent, you're always guaranteed to cause some level of perceived (e.g. the age of consent is too low, kids are being raped!) or actual injustice (e.g. the age of consent is too high, innocent men are going to prison!).

I'm much more in line with some of Amos Yee's reasoning that "sexual activity" with babies is OK. He asks why on earth is it OK for a baby to reach out and touch pie, whereas if a baby reaches out and touches a dick then it's some heinous crime scene? It's just retarded puritanical anti-sex mentality. Of course, sexual attraction to babies is extremely rare, but the feminists are always waiting to find some interaction with a baby sexual, no matter how trivial, just so they can lock a man up. Actually, I've heard of men being afraid to be seen wiping their baby's arse lest it be construed as some form of child sexual abuse. I wonder if we could play on these fears.

Babies aside, sexual attraction to 11 year olds on the other hand is, I think, quite common. Certainly, if one is to count how many men are attracted to 11 year olds - even if it might not be their ideal age range - I suspect it would be quite high. And we'd still see quite a few attracted to 9 year olds, though a lower number of men. In any case, it's hard to comprehend how any "harm" can come from such relationships and it is notable how common some of this was in the past - consider the prophet Muhammad marrying 9 year old Aisha. Personally I think it's ridiculous to think that children under 12 are never sexual. Indeed, we are fortunate that Tom has committed criminal offences so we don't have to and he points out that children as young as 9 are seen happily masturbating in porn: https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/03/the-best-child-porn-is-girls-masturbating-alone-to-an-orgasm/

Yes, I tend to emphasis the injustices that occur with teens just because those cases dominate convictions. The high age of consent is responsible for most of the injustice, and it makes the feminists job so much easier. Entrapment becomes like shooting fish in a barrel. Attacking the high age of consent might be an easier win in the public's eye - mainly because 20 years ago sex with teens was not considered "criminal" in the way it now is, and some people still remember that. Most people will also remember being intently sexual in their teenage years, whereas it might be a lower number of 9 year olds making that a harder win. Though in my view we still shouldn't lose sight of the fundamentals: The age of consent is retarded. Personally I'd continue to put a slight emphasis on the injustice at the older end of the scale but suggest the solution being to abolish the age of consent because it is not fit for purpose.

Eivind Berge said...

Great comment. I agree with it all, except to point out that Muhammad married Aisha when she was 6 or 7 and consummated the marriage when she was 9 or 10. Some sources claim she was 12 at consummation. In any case, there is no indication of abuse in that story except whatever one would want to impose on it, and I really don't like concocting "abuse" for no good reason. There may be practical reasons why so young girls shouldn't be married or having sex, but they shouldn't be exaggerated either.

Eivind Berge said...

To the person who just donated bitcoin, thank you so much! The Men's Movement has generous benefactors indeed!

Anonymous said...

Ex-police chief wants to train a "citizen’s army" against pedophiles

Former police chief Jim Gamble said the law should be changed so only those with police permission or reasonable excuse could pose as an under-18 on the internet.

Appearing before the Independent Inquiry into Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA), he said the crude methods used by have-a-go detectives should be taught to a “citizen’s army” of volunteers under police guidance.

[...snap...]

He continued: “We know from the vigilante experience that you don’t need to be a rocket scientist to carry out some of the low-level work that captures a lot of the low-hanging fruit.”

“The police resist this and I don’t know why.

“Begin thinking about better ways that we can build a citizen’s army that creates a much greater likelihood of someone talking to your 13-year-old daughter, actually talking to a 30-year-old volunteer digital detective.

“I cannot, for the life of me, understand why that concept has not been embraced.”

Full article:
https://www.shropshirestar.com/news/uk-news/2018/01/23/ex-police-chief-wants-masquerading-as-a-child-online-made-an-offence/

Eivind Berge said...

The law needs to be changed to make entrapment illegal, whether by the police or anyone else. That is the law reform MRAs need to support. This means abolishing grooming laws, which are specifically designed for this purpose, and whatever else allows the police to carry out sting operations in countries that allow them. Norway has not traditionally allowed sting operations, but then we passed a grooming law ten years ago which means even vigilantes can do it. There is already a conviction resulting from such vigilante action:

https://www.ymte.no/fellende-dom-i-barnas-trygghet-sak/

Except the man thought he was going to meet a 13-year-old girl, so he was just a normal man who can't even be diagnosed with a disorder by the abuse industry itself. The citizen's army against male sexuality already exists, and is obviously a good reason to be an MRA/male sexualist, or a "pedophile" as they now call us.

Our leader has put it well:

https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/22/they-called-me-a-pedophile-so-i-became-one/

I was never a pedophile or even a hebephile, but I am becoming more convinced of this every day. I now identify as a *political* pedophile. It is not my sexual orientation, but my political one, as it is synonymous with the greater part of MRA.

Eivind Berge said...

And this is when it gets interesting: How are they going to catch the political pedophiles? We can do much more damage, because we can ultimately change the law and jail the vigilantes. And the best part: We aren't limited to the tiny minority who are actually attracted to prepubescent children. The sky is the limit!

Anonymous said...

Well this is certainly beginning to look very interesting indeed.
Looking forward to writing about my experiences and thoughts on the matters, whilst I have not looked too much into the Men's Movement as of yet, I have seen some of Amos' videos and debates, and I believe I could add some of my personal opinions and perhaps also perspectives.

This shall be exciting!

-Gally

holocaust21 said...

"political paedophile" I love it! I think that's what I am too. It's funny the only time I desperately wanted to bang an underage girl was when I found out that it was illegal. I think that must mean that my sexuality is more guided by my political beliefs than anything else. So "political paedophile" fits!

In any case, that guy Jim Gamble mentioned above is an absolute pure evil piece of shit. For those who don't know he led Operation Ore which resulted in thousands of arrests and over 30 men committed suicide all on charges of possession of child pornography. I'd love to do the whole "political paedophile" thing, change the law, and retrospectively jail that fucker for the rest of his life.

Anonymous said...

Also in regards to "Operation Ore", wikipedia has information on that that makes it all the worse. Stolen credit cards used to incriminate and prosecute, lots of children displaced from their parents, many innocent people, and so on.

Norway has its own version of this, called "Dark Room" where the legality is not just highly questionable but politicalized, and people have now been in police custody for over a year and a half with no sentencing or any ability to defend themselves legally.

I was in custody for four months and manipulated my way out after I had experienced what I wanted to experience, learned what I had wanted to learn, and gotten bored.

- Gally

I have now made the decision to be officially aligned with the Men's Rights Movement, and you shall receive the full extent of my support for what ever that may be worth to you.

ANU NAMIDA BUTSU

holocaust21 said...

btw to your dreams of Islam taking over the West and destroying feminism, I'm afraid they are about to be crushed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/24/indonesian-womans-clip-street-groping-goes-viral-muslim-countrys/

I've personally seen this problem with Muslims. They, like Christians, are ideologically weak. Feminism gradually eats away at their soul and over time Muslim men become more and more feminist ultimately killing their religion and reducing them to be nothing more than a feminist's play thing. The world's only hope is us "political paedophiles" or "male sexualists"! Actually even the cuckservative MRAs at AVFM are looking better than Muslims right now...! At least they don't support sexual harassment laws.

Anonymous said...

*NAMU AMIDA, sorry

Eivind Berge said...

We don't need to use retroactive laws to jail these scumbags who are persecuting men on child porn charges, because they are already breaking the law. Operation Dark Room is acknowledged to use illegal methods in the Norwegian media, and last I heard courts and politicians were going to decide if they were not going to give a shit about that and let the prosecutions go ahead anyway, which will be the most likely outcome I guess.

Basically the Norwegian police get help from their colleagues in countries with less restrictions on police methods and use those to entrap men, who will then be sentenced under Norwegian law. It is a slimy, unethical, illegal tactic, but since this is sex-related anything goes.

It is also a crime against humanity, in my view, so we have plenty of justification for prosecuting these scumbags without breaking our own principles if we ever gain power.

caamib said...

You are mistaken, Holocaust21. Groups like ISIL are conservative or even reactionary Muslims and they have made themselves visible to the whole world while basically nobody knows who political pedophiles or male sexualists are nor do they have any base in modern Western society. If some Muslims do become scum, and many do (I can see this with some Muslims here as well) then they are no longer viable for any change and they or at least their kids will likely be atheists and not Muslims anymore. But even with this there are still many millions of Muslims who don't become like that.

If you think that political pedophiles or male sexualists can change the world know that their numbers are very few and that they have no base in Western society, since even the right wing groups who have made some impact, like the alt right, mostly hate them. I don't like that this is the state of things but it is. It is pretty much impossible for non-Muslims whites to do much. The best thing they could do is form their own small communities with good religious values.

Anonymous said...

"If you think that political pedophiles or male sexualists can change the world know that their numbers are very few and that they have no base in Western society, since even the right wing groups who have made some impact, like the alt right, mostly hate them."

I'm not certain on what you base those opinions on.

From what I am seeing, there is a definite change in seeing for example sexual attraction to minors (or pre-pubescent children) not as a clinical diagnosis, but more as a variation of human sexuality.

And, that one wants to encourage self-control and also the issue of consent.

These are difficult issues to address, to be sure, but difficult things are the only ones worthy of doing, in my opinion.

-Gally

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, it's a totally different paradigm to see pedophilia as an alternative sexual orientation which is just as natural as being straight or gay. The current view, on which both the police and vigilantes base their work, is that pedophiles (and anyone attracted to minors) are bad people who are motivated to hurt children. This is bullshit in the vast majority of cases, and it only takes common decency to oppose it, a quality which has been sorely lacking until all these open MAP bloggers and researchers have cropped up. But I do see some change now, even with all the censorship and thought-policing going on. The law, however, remains just as hateful and is still getting worse.

caamib said...

I base my opinion on reading into what is the current mainstream, which you're still far away from. In fact, I've seen so much hate on "pedophilia" from right-wingers that some naive idiots actually believe(d?) that places like Salon are more welcoming. Hint - they're not. Libtards hate you a lot more. At least some right wingers tend to have a connection to reality and would go for some kind of a "reasonable" age of consent of around 15 or so, but most are just obsessed with Jews and similar topics. I don't see this MAP issue being discussed much anywhere but who knows? In 2-3 years things might change. You can't predict much today. In any case I'd be willing to hedge my bets on somebody who actually performs actions in the real world, like Muslims, compared to a bunch of mostly anonymous bloggers with no access to media institutions.

Eivind Berge said...

It is possible that I am living in a sort of bubble composed largely of MAP-positive Twitter followers, but it still amazes me that so many young people are talking positively about such attraction. I didn't see that anywhere when I was their age and think it bodes well for the future. Some of them are so young that it's absurd to call them different, but that's what increasing demonization gets you; it creates identity which comes handy for activism.

Anonymous said...

Well parts of wise sociology is harm-reduction.

Say we have a person who is attracted to minors, and we construct the two opposing choices between 1) telling him that he is a monster and is going to offend sooner or later, and 2) telling him that he is a perv and lots of people are pervs and to stay clean off of minor-sex

- Gally
:
PS! On a totaly unrelated issue : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4Y4keqTV6w

Anonymous said...

https://www.huffingtonpost.com/yoani-sanchez/un-cuba-legal-age_b_907283.html

A woman almost in their 30s says that at 16 they are immature children, that at 16 and 17 should be considered child prostitution and those under 18 are unable to make their own decisions, and that a system where the age of majority is under 18 is a crime. Yeah, this is real.

caamib said...

"Well parts of wise sociology is harm-reduction.

Say we have a person who is attracted to minors, and we construct the two opposing choices between 1) telling him that he is a monster and is going to offend sooner or later, and 2) telling him that he is a perv and lots of people are pervs and to stay clean off of minor-sex"

Neither of these is any harm reduction.

You explain why proposition nr 1 is wrong but what you should understand is that nr 2 is much, much worse.

- Calling somebody a "perv" would actually offend a sane person much more than the word "monster". A "perv" means... what? It sounds like a bunny dropping of a fifth rate mind.

-What do you care what lots of people are?

- Staying clean of minor sex is a horrible idea. First of all, bad/evil laws are there to be broken. And these law are the epitome of evil so they should be broken, just like many German laws from WW2 should have been broken.

- The sole idea that somebody will abstain from sex due to laws in insane. It shows a fundamental misreading of human nature. You are like those idiots who tell incels to just "forget about women", while forgetting themselves that no incel would exist if their forefathers had "forgotten about women". A good advice to pedos should be- offend, offend, offend, as much as you can ! It is no offense at all. Of course one needs to worry about his safety as well as cops and many brainwashed civilians really enforce and believe in these laws but no sane human being will give up on sex due to laws. Horrible, abominable laws in that.

- You also forget the very important and ever present racial issue here. Most people who believe in these laws would also like to enforce laws in which you'd be hunted down and killed just for being white. They are dangerous, insane and shouldn't be listened to.

Eivind Berge said...

I certainly agree for teenage sex. But there are real pedophiles who are attracted to much younger children, and they probably need to be told that they can't entirely live out their urges. What we urgently need to do is to quit persecuting anybody based on inane "crimes" such as child pornography and entrapment, and that goes for all ages. And of course having an involuntary orientation does not make one a monster.

caamib said...

Yeah, I was a bit vague above. What I meant by pedos here is those who are regularly called that on this blog and similar ones by your enemies, Eivind. I don't think people should just be allowed to have sex with a child of any age. But people who really want to have sex with babies and such are rare in any case.

Anonymous said...

"Most women hate men so much that they will use whatever violence they can control to crack down on male sexuality. "

Come on, man, it's so clear for a while! Even our mothers hate us (or like their female privileges more than us). They should be on the streets setting fire to everything for all the harm the feminist system is douing to us. They are appling against us (men) the very same laws that nazis applied against the jews.

@ holocaust21:
"btw to your dreams of Islam taking over the West and destroying feminism, I'm afraid they are about to be crushed:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2018/01/24/indonesian-womans-clip-street-groping-goes-viral-muslim-countrys/"

No, friend. You forget that "going viral" is a manufacture of the feminist telematic system composed by twitter-facebook-youtube. If something go viral, it's because they decide that and back it. It's never "natural".

Indeed indonesia is devolving. Years ago they had the "obedient wives club" (search it on human-stupidity.com), while in the last 12 months we had an evil round-up by the australian government and cops against men who were convicted for what the feminist system calls "child prostitution" (1st remember that indonesia was known for a kind of sexual freedom/promisqity of Young ppl especially women; 2nd some of those men even got the passport away, after the end of jail time... when this things were done by the Stasi or is done by Iran they speak about "human rights violations"); and now we have this one of the viral video.
As the newspaper says: National Commission on Violence Against Women told the New York Times in December. This is totally new an anti-islamic (and obviously anti-men), indeed it shows that the country has taken a different direction (probably because the state got pushed by the west). In fact, as for now, there is not alaw about it.

Meanwhile Yesterday an afghan chapter of the feminist NGO "save the children" (for the records: the very same NGO that organized a fake vaccine campaign for children to track down Osama Bin Laden and that acts as taxi for illegals in europe) got a punition so that a few of their monsters were sent of the Jahannam. Lately Pakistan is not allowing a female PM to impose the rising up of the marriageable age up to 18 (probably because the USA lately pissed them off and it's the wrong time for new unislamic law after a minority almost managed to change the consistution removing the holy oath) and the religious council of Turkey declared that there is nothing wrong of marring 12 years old women (again, the source could be again the failed coup of july 2016 against Erdogan, and the fact that they are not allowed into the EU made pointless the imposition of the western dis- values).
So not all islamic places are like indonesia, Masha Allah.

Allah Hafiz

Anonymous said...

https://www.al-monitor.com/pulse/originals/2018/01/turkey-turks-unite-against-greenlight-for-child-bright.html

“The head of the DIB’s Supreme Council of Religious Affairs, Ekrem Keles, told the daily Hurriyet, “The DIB’s view is that girls should not marry before age 17 and boys before age 18. No one should marry their children at the age of 9, 10 or 15. This is contrary to Islam.”

SO Official position of the official interpreters of Islam: girls should not marry before age 17 and boys before age 18. No one should marry their children at the age of 9, 10 or 15. This is contrary to Islam.”

Anonymous said...

"All in all, the DIB seems quite confused on the marriage age. Yet the fact that the public uproar forced the institution to step back offers a glimmer of hope on the prevention of the sexual abuse of children in the name of religion."

The chef's position is the minoritarian one and completely unislamic; however it looks more like a way to try to kill the feminist uproar. Clearly, such incidents are becoming common day after day (remeber the incident with sweden in 2016? the messages at the airports...)

I was wrong about age: I thought it was 12, while this time it's 9. Interesting...
Allah Hafiz.

Nuck ROC said...

If you talk about teenage sex with other teens & adults, I don't see why you wouldn't want to talk about and make it an issue, considering it's the core reason the sex hysteria primarily exists. Plus, that issue will be talked about since there seems to be a debate about this in the men's right group. Kids as young as 4 being able to rape according to telegraph, 7 year old sex offenders, and a lot of other absurdities to talk about. (Plus, it heavily affects men a lot.)

I am a MRA & anti feminist as well, not only that but a pro teen sex & paedophile activist. Plus you will face many absurdities among the public on this. My YT account was suspended for "predatory content", a lie, just because I show a pro paedophile & teen sex outlook. Plus pizzagate, the omnipolitics & cart O'graph (both were MRAs as well) controversies, there is a lot needed to be pointed out by people to highlight it's insanity.

Anonymous said...

We have to get rid of all google products:

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/2801999

"Uploading, commenting, or engaging in any type of activity that sexualizes minors will immediately result in an account termination."

Just for sexualize minors? for sexualize a 16yo? Freaks.

I will make a comment with all the alternatives to google for us, I refuse to use the services and give profit to this scum.

PS: Any can also use the "has this information been useful?" box? press NO and use the comment box to tell them how "okay" you're with on their "child protection" policy.

Eivind Berge said...

That is insane. Obviously the very existence of our movement sexualizes minors, as does the existence of any reasonable person. So far Google has not enforced that policy, however, but we need to be ready to move on if they do. I keep fresh backups of everything.

Eivind Berge said...

I mean they haven't enforced it outside YouTube. Does it apply elsewhere too?

It is also a great example of the principle, "They called me a pedophile, so I became one." It is not permitted to be reasonable and draw the line somewhere under 18; no, all reasonable people are to be ostracized together in (hopefully) one sex-positive movement.

Anonymous said...

Thank you Eivind for your dedication. Sorry I don't have Bitcoins, I hope at least you get this moral support.

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks.

Eivind Berge said...

Meanwhile, Twitter has a policy against "content promoting child sexual exploitation," which sounds more lenient but is over-enforced when applied to people like Todd Nickerson. It is also wildly open to interpretation, and something even pro-contact pedophiles can get behind with the right definition of "exploitation."

Anonymous said...

Fresh backup of what? Do you have a youtube page which you post videos?

Eivind Berge said...

No, I just mean my blog. In case Google decides to remove it, I can import all the content elsewhere including comments and carry on blogging. I don't use YouTube, which is a nonstarter with that ridiculously oppressive content policy.

Anonymous said...

In such intention, I strongly suggest you to start on moving it; crate a new one in every safer place available, starting right now. Remember that, once feminists reach their hineous goals, their following action is to criminalize the dissent and any attempt to roll back the situation. Ex: see the Lanzarote declaration, over any attept to speak against the new law criminalizing sexual activities with underaged women, up the human right of free speech's ass; that they thoted for decades as how the "free world" is awesome.
So if it is possible that Google will apply such policy, thet sure will do.

Beat them on time.

Eivind Berge said...

The Norwegian child porn law is nearly identical to Google's content policy (and already enforced on texts), so it could get much worse than just being removed from Google's platforms. I agree with taking precautions, but we should also make use of all the exposure we can get on mainstream platforms as long as it lasts.

The only difference with the law and the content policy is that the law includes the word "skildringer" -- meaning depictions or narratives in any medium (that sexualize minors) -- so maybe ideological statements abstracted from any description would be legal for now, but I am sure they will close that loophole in the next round of legislative reform, because they do sincerely mean to persecute us to the utmost. The hatred involved in this conflict on both sides is stronger than anything else I can imagine.

Anonymous said...

I didn't write to delete this; I was about redoundancy.

A women abused by men said...

Sorry but pedophilia is not OK. When I was 17 an older guy (from church camp) grabbed my private area and was continuing to pull down my pants until someone opened the door in the dorms. I was so confused and didn’t know anything about sex at that time. I’m still scarred.

caamib said...

A woman, your cartoonishly bad "arguments"/story would in saner times be useful for mocking and nothing else but since today there are many simpletons who would take your insanity seriously let's examine what you say...

How does your story relate to pedophilia at all? You were 17, and legal in most parts of the world. If you believe it relates to pedophilia, why describe his act at all? Wouldn't any act with a woman of that age be a crime then? I mean, I'm just going by your insanity. And if you didn't know anything about sex at the time and this made you confused how is at least that part a fault of the guy? Believe me, most 17 year-old girls know about sex all to well. My girlfriend had been 17 when I took her virginity (I later found out she was lying about being 18 at the time). There are some 17 year-old girls in my life I used to know who had more than 50 partners. One girl I knew slept with over 50 men and at least 2 other girls at the age of 16.

caamib said...

Btw Muslim commentator, if you're reading this - where are you from? Are you from the Middle East, Western Europe or somewhere else? US maybe? If you're in Austria let me know. I'd like to get in touch, maybe even meet up

Anonymous said...

Any Westerner who defends Islam is worth of being shot in the back of the head. Just as it is, for the history of Islam's relationship with Europe is that they wanted to conquer us, raped our women and enslaved many of our own. Supporting the enemy is treason.

caamib said...

"Any Westerner who defends Islam is worth of being shot in the back of the head. Just as it is, for the history of Islam's relationship with Europe is that they wanted to conquer us, raped our women and enslaved many of our own. Supporting the enemy is treason."

This is so devoid of actual arguments that I will just put this here if anybody's interested in reading why Islam is actually a better option. Pay attention to parts where I compare it to today's west

https://caamib.wordpress.com/2016/01/28/i-support-the-islamization-of-europe/

"Muslims are different and now they’re luckily brought here to fertilize Western women.

Muslims have many kids, but Muslims tend to take care of their kids. Western thugs couldn’t care less about taking care of any kids and simply leave the care of the kids to cucks or the state. All the while decent men are rejected by fertile women.
Muslims crack down on sluts. Western sluts are why Western thugs even procreate.
Muslims usually make women dependent on husbands and don’t take away money from decent men to fund sluts.
What mustn’t be forgotten in this whole situation is that Muslims are one of the sacred classes liberals have. Like blacks or other minorities, in the eyes of the liberal a Muslim is a sacred creature that can do no wrong.

I will examine some of the alternatives, but they seem bleak as hell, since

As I stated previously, modern Christian women, while being much less worse than modern Western sluts, have several significant problems. They are focusing their religion around the worship of an nonexistent being and following the cooky expectation of male premarital chastity, which is sickening nonsense. And that is if they eventually don’t turn into…
This
Alternative right/neoreactionary/Dark Enlightenment movements are scattered and unable to change any policies. Any such attempts are bound to fail with 100 percent probability.
If you can’t change the dominant culture you can’t change women."

Now, back to my my point- you claim that the Muslims wanted to enslave the Westerners (at least those that were Western to them). Ok. But let's say you're a Christian Orthodox Serb, Bulgarian, Armenian or from any other Ottoman province where most people were Christian in 1700 AD. Are you really that enslaved if you can still marry, grow your crops in peace, have a wife and kids? Well, guess what, butt hole, none of these things are possible for intelligent men in today's non-Islamic Europe. We can't get wives, we can't have kids (unless we use sick women like the mother of my child or rape religious girls), we are regularly reported to the police by liberal cretins (there are people online who brag about reporting me to the police though I haven't been contacted about my blog ever). our livelihoods are threatened (I escpaed doxxing for now but the person whose identity I used in 2011 is now fucked because I never thought that sick people would take it as far as they did). So tell me again how living under Muslims is worse.

caamib said...

Tell me about ONE people Muslims wiped out. Maybe there were some in pre-Ottoman era but I don't know about one people Ottomans wiped out. I know about the Armenian genocide but this didn't kill all the Armenians and it happened when OC was already a weak power, way after its prime.

Btw, check
http://www.historyofinformation.com/expanded.php?id=2731

""He sent out proclamations throughout the empire that the refugees were to be welcomed. He granted the refugees the permission to settle in the Ottoman Empire and become Ottoman citizens. He ridiculed the conduct of Ferdinand II of Aragon and Isabella I of Castile in expelling a class of people so useful to their subjects. 'You venture to call Ferdinand a wise ruler,' he said to his courtiers — 'he who has impoverished his own country and enriched mine!' "

Guess who accepted the Sephardic Jews when Spain kicked them out? Oh, right, this mean Ottoman Sultan.

And I will tell you what I tell all of you who speak this way- good, great. Go found your own community, gather people, take control over your country, create a new religion, whatever. If it's better than Islam I'm joining you. But know it will be an uphill battle since Islam had existed for about 1400 years already so it has a huge leg up in terms of followers and infrastructure. And know that places like Poland or Hungary might not be the best answers until they reign in their women too. If Poland or Hungary take away women's suffrage and make their women into obedient wives, sure, they're better than Muslim countries. But from how Roosh described their capitals you can see that women in Budapest or Warsaw are actually often acting WORSE than women in rural America.

Dude, like I said on dailyfeminist... There is no good. There are just varying degrees of

caamib said...

varying degrees of bad, sorry, didn't finish the sentence

Anonymous said...

"our livelihoods are threatened (I escpaed doxxing for now but the person whose identity I used in 2011 is now fucked because I never thought that sick people would take it as far as they did)."

WTF. You mean you used another guy's identity and your enemies went after him believing it was you?

Lewis Byron said...

I was a part of the NRK documentary series "Innafor" under the pseudonym "Lewis". The relevant episode is the most recent one, which should be freely available if you have not yet seen it (at least, if you are Norwegian). A lot has happened since then, and I thought it might be relevant to this blog.

Two of my friends from the mentioned "chat group" had been in a relationship since this summer. The man was 20 and the girl was 13. They had met up in real-life on several occasion. Early this year, the relationship was discovered by the girl's parents, and the man is now facing charges of "statutory rape", which based on the evidence will almost certainly lead to him spending 5-10 years in jail (plus get his name on the US sex-offender registry). Effectively, his life will be ruined.

Needless to say, everyone is devastated, especially his girlfriend. Of course, neither the law, its enforcers, or the media reporting on this care about her feelings at all. In their eyes, she is simply "the smoking gun" - evidence that a crime has been committed. The most common sentiments are that he is a predatory scumbag, and "oh, imagine what the poor girl's parents are going through!"

In reality, they are siding with drug-snorting, crazy rednecks who called her "slut" and "trash" when they found out, and who said to her that "if the police weren't on the way, I'd beat your face in!", rather than a shy, gentle man who truly loved her.
It was obvious to anyone how happy she was whenever he was around. In fact, she rather enthusiastically messaged me about her having "popped her cherry!" Actually, it was "popped our cherries!", as he was a virgin as well. Despite this, everyone insisted that "he definitely has other girls", and forced her to take tests to check for STDs. Effectively, she was intimately violated by a doctor against her will; "for her own sake", of course...

She has of course been through the usual spiel of "he didn't love you, he was just using you!" from parents and counselors (she is forced to go to therapy). Unbeknownst to them, and luckily for her, she has many online friends who know the both of them and can attest that this was definitely not the case. Though she would initially not believe them either way, who knows how long she would last before breaking to what is, in actuality, nothing but a textbook example of gaslighting?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaslighting

This guy couldn't hurt a fly, let alone his girlfriend. He is not someone who is suited to be - nor deserves to be - anywhere near a prison. It has been jarring to witness first-hand how messed up the system is, to say the least.

Lewis Byron said...

Some marginal good has at least come of this. If hearing half-a-dozen 10-11 year-old girls declare how dumb they think the current age-of-consent laws are doesn't strengthen your resolve, I don't know what will. Of course, most onlookers would say that they are misguided children who don't know what they're saying. Hypocritically, these same people would no-doubt rub it in our faces if children showed disgust at the idea of pedophilia: "See, children don't want you despicable old men anywhere near them!"

While there are aspects of your fledgling "male sexualist" movement I find distasteful (not least of which being your seeming exaltation of Islamic laws and customs), if you go so far as to call yourselves "political pedophiles", then I will not only applaud you but go one-step further. Even though I am technically non-offending, I henceforth declare myself a "political offending pedophile", because I believe that I am no better, no more "virtuous" than my friend who is facing charges for making love with his girlfriend. I have no need for pity, and feeling hated has become the default for me. As the situation is now, I have nothing but scorn for those who grovel before society at large, seeking to be both pitied as victims of circumstance and recognized for their supposed virtue.

caamib said...

Anonymous - yes, this is basically how it went down but I think I said enough. Anybody interested might discuss this in a more private way via e-mail. What matters is that all of this made me realize what leftism is. It is a hateful ideology meant to eradicate white males. The same leftists who openly tried (and failed) to ruin my life are the same vermin who screeched about some therapy nonsense (that didn't even help them, obviously). Now, if such people claim they wanna "help" you know just how sick they are. Another issue is that the Enlightenment in the West is way over and most "people" can be hardly called humans but ignorant pigs who should just be used and discarded with extreme prejudice. Even now, when I basically stopped writing, I get some pig once a month with a haughty comment on why I'm still a virgin and single... Except that I am neither of these. Then once you edit their comment and actually say what they are wrong about you are censoring the ignorant pig. As if I couldn't have removed their comment right away for nobody to ever know but me.

Not just leftards but all modern Western "people" are scum, vermin, trash, uneducated and uninterested in any facts or evidence, deserving of only the worst abuses. They are preprogrammed morons shouting "therapy, therapy", while most of them can't get any help from it and it never got them women. They are in fact not opposed to any rape nor do they believe in the ages of consent. They're interested in certain groups like blacks, Hispanics or Muslims eradicating them brutally. They would more than readily hand their own female relatives to them, even newborns, because they believe that people who lack privilege should whatever the fuck they want, to whoever they want. The actual struggle of leftards isn't against some rape or for age of consent - it's to get whites off the planet. Actual rape in the minds of a leftist is merely a sex with a woman of any age, at any age.

Lewis - " I find distasteful (not least of which being your seeming exaltation of Islamic laws and customs)"

You are very naive. You saw what happened to your friend and you're likely among the few decent Americans who stand up to such atrocities. Doesn't that give you pause? Don't you understand that Christianity (and, yes, America is still mostly a Christian society, some bs conspiracy theories on Jews are just that - crap) is a worthless religion that should be discarded and that the whole of America is rotten to the bone? If you want one proof that god doesn't exist it is that America still exists. Any God would destroy that evil place.

Muslims have at least basically had the same ideas on aoc/rape for about 1400 years , and they number over a billion, so joining them is easier than starting your own religion from a scratch.

As much as I feel sorry for your friend and can feel the pain in your words I can't pity an American nor do you seem too aware of the actual extent of the problem.

Lewis Byron said...

I realized that I neglected to include some of the most messed-up parts of the situation. The girl in question is placed under house arrest, meaning that the police are alerted automatically if she leaves the house. She is basically a prisoner. Also, she read out comments under news articles about the case for us one evening. A surprising amount of them were trash-talking her, saying that she knew exactly what she was doing. Yet, there was no doubt that these commenters believed that a wrong had been committed, they just think the girl was partly to blame for it (perhaps they remember their own teenage years too well to see her as an "innocent victim"). A great taboo has been violated, and heads have to roll! One wonders if these people ever pause to think about why they feel the way they do...

@caamib: I am not American nor Christian, so most of your critique does not apply, but I do not see why me not considering "White Sharia" to be a desireable solution makes me naive. It could arguably make society more livable for me, but that is almost certainly not the case for the girls I care about...

I am not in the business of seeking to replace a bad social system with a worse one.

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks for sharing, Lewis. We know we are fighting the good fight, and the underlying reality behind the "abuse" doesn't surprise me any more because I have heard it so many times. These days we need to assume something like that until we see an actually abusive situation with our own eyes, so full of shit are the media and justice system.

caamib said...

"I am not American nor Christian, so most of your critique does not apply, but I do not see why me not considering "White Sharia" to be a desireable solution makes me naive. It could arguably make society more livable for me, but that is almost certainly not the case for the girls I care about...

I am not in the business of seeking to replace a bad social system with a worse one."

Ok, I jumped the gun on you being American since you said your friend is from US but regarding the rest of what you're saying here... Just no, man. You're so wrong about what you believe regarding women/society that it makes my mind boggle.

Islam would be vastly preferable exactly for girls around you. Women want to be controlled and told what to do by men. Women are the unhappiest kind of people in feminism and research shows they are becoming less and less happy each year.

Now, you're gonna say that these women reject Islam but that's again your misunderstanding of the female psyche. Women tend to be the vanguard of every culture so of course that modern Western women will say that they don't want Islam, not knowing anything else.

A good example of female nature is this woman.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hind_bint_Utbah


She was a woman from Mecca who initially resisted Islam and shamed men of Mecca during the battle against Muslims.

On, ye sons of Abdaldar,
On, protectors of our rear,
Smite with every sharpened spear!
If you advance we hug you,
spread soft rugs beneath you;
if you retreat we leave you,
leave and no more love you.

But, as you can see there, when she became a Muslim she also shamed Muslim men during a battle with the Byzantines
O you who flees from his loyal lady!
She is beautiful and stands firmly.
You're abandoning them to the Romans
to let them the forelocks and girls seize.
They will take what they want from us to the full
and start fighting themselves.

Hind sang the same song she had sung when she fought against the Muslims in the battle of Uhud:

Night star's daughters are we,
who walk on carpets soft they be
Our walk does friendliness tell
Our hands are perfumed musk smell
Pearls are strung around these necks of us
So come and embrace us
Whoever refuses will be separated forever
To defend his women is there no noble lover?


This is how women are. Turn them to Islam and they will defend it as fiercely as they defend the hell they're living in now. And mind what I said in the beginning, Islam is actually much healthier for women. If women defend the current state of things in the West, a state in which most are that unhappy, imagine to what great lengths they'd go when defending Islam.

If you can't even get that then I'm sorry... There isn't much to say to you. Your perception of reality is severely fucked. You are in pain due to what happened to your friend but you have gained zero awareness of the actual state of things so the pain will likely continue in your own life as well.

caamib said...

Also, the part about Christianity does in fact apply despite you not being from the US or Christian. Your friend is from the US (or not? You said he's gonna get a sexual offender record there?) and the point is that Christianity is rotten in the US (and basically everywhere else in the world aside from few isolated enclaves like the Mennonites).

Gally said...

Lewis, mail me please: isec at redchan.it (cock.li) is great for throw-away addresses.

Gally said...

It's a sunday, and I am ready to commit to commenting (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WsDOqeQEvH0).

Thank you Lewis for sharing.


Expect my response to this thread, today, though I may need to work on it - mainly to get it "down", and make it as simple as possible.

I may actually end up requesting a three-part series, but we'll see.

Eivind Berge said...

Great! I might need a day to proofread and write an introduction, but will definitely post it.

It occurs to me that child porn law is really a type of blasphemy law. It is the puritan-feminist *idea* that children are asexual up to 18 that is protected by child porn law. This is a false belief, of course, which means it needs all the more ferocious enforcement.

Islam is very benign in comparison. They also have harsh blasphemy laws, but I never heard of Muslim countries conducting sting operations like Operation Ore in order to entrap people for blasphemy. So Islam comes out as a clear winner for that and many more reasons.

caamib said...

When I was in detention prison back in 2008 I heard that there was a guy who was arrested for having a video of a 16 year-old masturbating on his phone. Mind you, the aoc in that country had been 14 at the time and still isn't 16 (recently tragically raised to 15). It boggles the mind that people can be that irrational.

Anonymous said...

Hi caamib.. What country you refer?

caamib said...

That was in 2008 Croatia. A country notorious for no rule of law, rough and unprofessional police force and unaccountable, law breaking judges. No jury either. Age of consent got raised to 15 in around 2013ish I think.

In Austria, where I am now for most of the year, it is still 14.

I don't think a single European country now has it below 14. That is disgusting, especially if you know that Spain SET IT to 12 just in 1995 with a new Penal Code they published that year. It has since gone fully insane. https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/20/in-2015-spain-ceased-being-a-real-country/

One problem I used to notice when I was a teen is that most teens are really uneducated about the laws. They were fucking but believed the aoc to be 18 and some even felt guilty about this. I was too young to really ponder that at the time but am trying to ease their worries now. A typical teen knows nothing about the law, including penal law.

Gally said...

I think I should maybe play whatever I write, by my lawyer first, and get his advice.

So it will take some time. My case is set for 28 of February, and it may be that his advice is to not write anything until after the verdict.

Anonymous said...

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/judicial/364438-child-sex-dolls-the-newest-outlet-for-pedophiles-must-be-banned

Eivind Berge said...

This bill is coming from a Republican legislator, but of course liberals support it just as much. As I have pointed out before, current politics is one giant contest about who can be the most sex-hostile.

The only solution is an entirely separate movement like ours.

Gally said...

I am becoming more and more in agreement with that, from the more I read, discuss, and think about the issues.

I used to think that some other organisations were capable of effectuating some change in the discourse, and add fresh new points to the debate, but they seem more and more limited and insular, to me.

And that whole 'virtue signaling'-thing they have gotten going on?

That's quite reminiscent of religious people turned radical politicians.

Eivind Berge said...

Once we realize that these bastards want to have thoughtcrime legislation -- which is very clear when we are talking about criminalizing inanimate objects and symbols, which are proxies for thoughts at most -- it becomes very hard to believe that they will tolerate non-offending MAPs either. Which is kind of like declaring oneself a non-blaspheming blasphemer in a culture which zealously prosecutes blasphemy. The concept just doesn't fly, and we need to understand that this is an all-out war.

Anonymous said...

https://dailyantifeminist.files.wordpress.com/2018/01/12nv010_english-statutory-rape-poster_v2.jpg?

I never thought there was such a thing, I mean sort of: "what the hell is this shit"?

Eivind Berge said...

It is antisex hate-propaganda backed by an equally hateful law. Also taxpayer-funded by the state of Nevada to add further insult to injury.

Anonymous said...

Notice, you may not have noticed, but it's an explicit statement against a MAN who goes after a minor GIRL.

No sign of women going after underage boys.
No sign of men going after underage boys.
No sign of women going after underage girls.

Man with girl. No further questions, Your Honor.

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, isn't that the purpose of the age of consent, to restrict the sexual freedom of girls so that parents can have unwanted (to them) suitors punished? The rest is just collateral damage in the name of "equality" and doesn't need to be propagandized. At least this poster is honest, LOL.

Gally said...

Just as an update, there is now AI-generated porn: https://twitter.com/motherboard/status/958788774003081219

Which opens up a whole new can of worms.

Eivind Berge said...

Technology doesn't mix well with blasphemy/obscenity/thoughtcrime legislation. These laws turn technology into a trap for ourselves, since it is so easy to create and display and discover forbidden content. I have always felt that it is horribly wrong to punish people for "unclean" information, for fundamental reasons that are now amplified. It puts a terrible damper on all the interesting things we can do with technology, and turns it into a tool for bigots instead. There comes a point when we are better off as Luddites.

Anonymous said...

Do you know about the news of a father who killed and dismembered a teenage girl's boyfriend because they shot a porn video of themselves on the Internet? Despite what you might assume, the boyfriend is also a minor teenager too, I think.

Lierally that psychopath has cut off his head and hands and legs, I have not seen the images, which are totally legal but not the video pornography of the two consensual teenagers (vomit even more).

This news gives me quite disturbed, one is used to a brutal persecution, but this? now every living being (adult or minor) who has sex with a girl under 18 can end up killed and dismembered.

Robert Knight said...

I'm a conservative american. AND One of my hopes for the New Year is that more people will find the courage to ignore or even speak up against cultural and moral insanity instead of going along with it like the silence about inmoral normalization of teen sex.

Leaving aside your "refined" argumentation, Eivind, you shows little concern over a girl just out of his teens being pursued by a man 20 years older. If it were your 20-year-old younger sister who was being hit on by a 40-year-old man, would it be immature to ask a few questions and express some worry? Or would that be “feminist?

Perhaps the safest compromise would be no relationships of any kind until the children are over the age of 21 and can make their own choices.

As moral relativism sweeps through the culture, we’re asked more and more to deny obvious truths and instead swallow whoppers like these you support.

Eivind Berge said...

To feel "concern" for a 20-year-old woman hit on by a 40-year-old man would literally be to hate myself (I will be 40 this year), and I do not hate myself or my sexuality. I don't know if you are a troll or you are really so grotesque that you mean "children" can't make sexual choices until they are 21, but in any case it is feminism of the worst kind. Yes, some feminists actually tried to make the age of consent 21 at some point, I was just reading in this article:

https://www.thestranger.com/seattle/age-of-consent/Content?oid=17715319

"In the 16th century, for example, the North American colonies adopted from Britain the age of 10 as the appropriate cutoff, and this remained in the formal legislatures of 37 US states until long after the Civil War. Of the other existing states in the 1880s, only nine had by then decided that the "advanced age" of 12 was probably a more reasonable number. (One state, Delaware, had even lowered its cutoff to a mind-boggling 7.) Only in the late 19th century was the age of consent raised to 16 throughout most of America, a concession by the social reformers who had spearheaded the campaign and had initially sought to have it changed nationwide to 18, which they'd largely accomplish by 1920. Some in the growing feminist movement even hoped to raise it to 21, the age at which women could legally inherit property. Today, each state has its own numerous and complex series of clauses dealing with factors such as age differences between parties and the nature of specific sexual acts, but general ages of consent presently range from 15 (in Colorado only) to 18."

Eivind Berge said...

I feel zero concern after the advanced age of 12.

Eivind Berge said...

Ever since I was very young myself, at least a teenager, I have been disgusted and dismayed by people who are freaked out by age difference. When women express this sentiment, we can at least understand where they are coming from, since female age preference increases with time and stays close to their own age, but men keep finding women around 20 (including teens) the most attractive into old age, so how can a man possibly feel there is anything wrong with it? What is going on? Do these men hate themselves, or do they not realize how their own attraction works and will work when they get older?

Male teleiophiles don't grow up to be mesophiles or gerontophiles any more than pedophiles grow up to be teleiophiles. A male teleiophile who denigrates an older man for attraction to teenage girls and young women is therefore worse than a feminist -- he is a self-loathing freak.

Gally said...

Mr. Knight, I recommend reading this article: https://www.xojane.com/issues/stacey-rambold-cherice-morales

Now, there are a number of points that can be discussed in that, but if you look a little bit closely at the framing of the arguments, I believe that you will see that the sexual contact is the only thing that is being brought up as the problem for "troubled" youth.

That is a serious error in concern for what are complicated problems with composite causes. And it is callous to say that if only these girls had not sought contact, they would not have been condemned.

Poor mental health, bullying, neglect and abusive family situations are issues that turns young women to seek what support they can where they can find it, and drives young men to drugs and crime.

Both are problems in their root causes; but it is too simplistic to point the moral finger and say "Aha! Here is the problem; there was a penis in a vagina!"

BTW Amanda Todds killed herself because she was troubled and bullied, not because she showed some skin on the internet.

Eivind Berge said...

That article partly buys into the "sexual trauma" explanation for all sorts of problems, even if the author admits and knows from personal experience that 13-year-old girls can want sex and pursue men and not be coerced. Emily supports the hateful statutory rape laws like most people these days. I find it deeply troubling that so many people buy into this crap, even when reality is staring them right in the face. Here she has pursued random men as a young teenager, most of whom eagerly agreed to have sex with her, and yet she thinks they are are all pedophiles rather than the normal men the article clearly illustrates that they are ("The terrifying thing is how few adult men ever said no" -- learn some basic statistics, bitch!). And she wants to punish them harshly for HER actions, even while admitting that she had that agency, which makes her more evil than your average feminist or mangina.

It's all well to call for role models and such, and sort out the real causes of a "troubled" youth, but blaming men for consensual sex is just evil. It is unfortunately the knee-jerk reaction society subscribes to, even if it is just as irrational as blaming evil spirits or any manner of superstition. Only we are different, us few and proud members of the Pro-Male-Sexuality Movement. We don't fall for this charade.

Eivind Berge said...

She even buys into the "grooming" crap and implies that the older men didn't really love her, that their desire was merely pathological "pedophilia." It is no doubt true that some of her lovers only wanted sex and had little more concern for her, but that will be the experience of a slut of any age ("Later, I couldn't understand why he never called me again, why he didn't want to be my boyfriend" -- yeah, because older women never get that, right?). There is no real problem related to age here at all, only superstition which tells us sex is uniquely bad at that age.

Anonymous said...

http://www.valuewalk.com/2018/02/counter-strike-sexual-exploitation-minor/

Counter Strike's co-creator has been arrested for "child exploitation". Of course Valve fired him because, well, so-called "sexual offenders" are supposed to be subhuman.

Remember if you are a normal heterosexual man don't buy Valve or Steam games (a Valve platform), go to thepiratebay or similiar, DON'T BUY fuck them and the FBI.

Eivind Berge said...

I totally agree. "Child exploitation" is one of those weasel words that, like "sexual abuse" or "(statutory) rape" can mean anything the moralists wants it to mean, while pretending they are protecting children. Whenever one of those words are used, we should dismiss the claim as nonsense until a factual description of something objectionable emerges from a trustworthy source.

Anonymous said...

Enabling pedophiles to be proud isn’t what society seems as a human right. You’re fighting for the most abhorrent of causes. Is there no better use of our energy?!how denegrated can your life actually be? And if so, signs are obvious you should take a different path. Clearly.

Eivind Berge said...

I am an activist against injustice, not just what directly affects me. And appealing to the values of society is retarded when we are obviously not aligned with society; we are quislings. You don't understand how deep this conflict runs, do you?

Anonymous said...

More info: https://www.pcinvasion.com/counter-strikes-jess-cliffe-accused-underage-sex

Anonymous said...

https://amp.ibtimes.co.uk/counter-strike-co-creator-jess-cliffe-arrested-allegedly-paying-teen-sex-multiple-times-1658513

Eivind Berge said...

So it was simple prostitution, which should be completely legal. An what was a 15-year-old doing on an adult meet-up site, anyway? This is one of those times when it is 100% appropriate to blame the "victim," except there is no victim because the entire case is victimless, which means the blame lies on the odious feminist sex laws and the people who support them. That is where our hatred needs to be directed.

Eivind Berge said...

Correction, the case isn't victimless. There is a victim of grave injustice and his name is Jess Cliffe. See, even I am affected by the feminist hate-propaganda to give men short shrift!

Gally said...

"Enabling pedophiles to be proud isn’t what society seems as a human right. You’re fighting for the most abhorrent of causes. Is there no better use of our energy?!how denegrated can your life actually be? And if so, signs are obvious you should take a different path. Clearly."

How dare you.

How dare you condemn an entire group of completely different, disparate people merely on your self-serving virtue-signaling moralism.

Pedophilia is a paraphilia, a sexually arousing thought-and-fantasies pattern, which about 1-2% of the male population has.
In comparison, about 50% of both males and females have the paraphilia of "coercive sex", in other words *rape fantasies*.

I pride myself on a number of things.
I am proud of myself for reading books.
I am proud of myself for being empathic, considerate, and a girl-lover who respects the relative development level of youngsters and who would much rather have a nice and trusting conversation with a young girl of 11 yo, than have any kind of inappropriate intimacy with her.

How dare you. How god damned fucking dare you.

I'll tell you a fact about my case: I was friends with a guy for three years, who had two girls who grew from the ages of four to seven, and my friendship with him started with me calling him and straight out telling him I was a hebephile and attracted to 11 yo girls, and asking him if we could be friends.

He had no problems with that, and there were never any kinds of issues.

How dare you judge me, and not just me, but all of us who handle our challenges in life in mature and sensible ways.

Take a different path? Yeah. You should do that. Up in your head.

Gally said...

Oh and just to add: The police didn't even bother interrogating him.
And the people they did interrogate?
All asserted that I am harmless (if a bit weird).

So I am *so* looking forward to my day in court, and I do believe I have found what is perhaps the best lawyer in Norway for this specific field.

In summary: No I am not evil. Or a bad person, an immoral person, an unethical person, but unfortunately through no choice of mine, I am a sexually perverted person.

I have to deal with that, live with it, and handle it responsibly.

Which I do admirably, for your information.

Eivind Berge said...

It should not surprise you that the police has no interest in uncovering any information that reflects positively on you. When this occurs by accident in their interrogations, they always ignore it and pick out the bad parts only to use in court. But the transcripts of the interrogations are also yours to read, and it is your lawyer's job to use them for what they are worth and call other witnesses for you.

Anonymous said...

Another suicide-murder by cops and feminist legal system. Any other human group would have already taken up arms against their exterminators.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5331317/Mark-Salling-dead-apparent-suicide.html

Anonymous said...

There were about 130 pages to read, for my case.
I spent somewhere between 30 to 40 minutes to read them.

There are several points that, um, can be contested.

Gally said...

(I am a very fast reader)

Leanne O'neill said...

If an adult male/woman intentionally meets up knowingly with a kid for a sexual relationship he or she deserves to be caught. And btw in many cases where the contact is real, the kid has no idea they have been talking to and adult.

Leanne O'neill said...

Wow. So very very self serving of you to make excuses for pedophilia. The harm to kids is real and you are in denial so that you do not have to comfront your own behaviour. Please don't ever come anywhere near my home.

Eivind Berge said...

I think you will find no sympathy for you views here, Leanne, because this is the hard core of the Men's Rights Movement, now also known as the Pro-Male-Sexuality Movement or the male sexualists. But thanks for reminding us about the malice that we exist to fight.

John said...

Ok,well I if course am with you guys 100% but i was firced iff twitter this fime nit dven "banned" "account suspended" and its worrying to have the police tell you there have been complaints from the "community" i guess they *cant* says it from one bitch feminist scum trash. Id get into blogging but they would simply delete me on that too.im kinda surprised you're still in here! Which bring me to my point.as I'm sure you're aware,all those nitwits complaining about you on Twitter WILL lead to your accounts being suspended and if you try to come back, they'll just keep on banning you.
Trust me I've been through he'll in fuckin Twitter but now I'm finished.and yep I did it(delete) my own account to try to please these cop pigs and their feminist friends I just hope it works
As long as I'm off Twitter SHES happy but locking me for doing nothing would make her a lot happier.and once again from a bitch on Twitter with a LOOONNGG history of this stuff but it's irrelevant!i keep having to play the "bad" guy in this society,it's only getting much worse and really want out if America but I'm stuck in this man hating shithole if a country trying to appease the pig cops EVERY day with ZERO suport.its getting very very old.

John said...

Damn hard for me to post on here and EVERY 'of' is turned into a goddamn "if" gotta turn off this auto correct shit.im amazed grauer is still on Twitter.the complaints against him and you must be pouring in to twitter.they ran me and many many others off twitter,just be prepared to lose your accounts.better than going to jail in my case anyway.too many fucking manginas supporting these man hating feminists.i just don't get it.my "fellow" Americans are mostly uneducated filth with very closed minds.drones really zombies even.its too bad I'm surrounded by utter scum.when I even try to talk about gynocentrism, misandry the war on men? They look at me like I'm insane and or a befuddled look.im a 100% pure made in America #mgtow and now even though I don't DARE go near a female IM the "stalker" I wish I hadn't came back on Twitter last November.big mistake..

John said...

And even on here, my posts are disappearing.whats up with that, I have no idea.but one reply simply vanished.

Anonymous said...

https://www.quora.com/Why-are-older-men-attracted-to-16%E2%80%9318-year-old-girls-Whats-your-opinion

Anonymous said...

Legal sex is done with consent amongst adults. No child under 18 consents to doing sex, they're manipulated into it by sick fucks with no regard for said childs well-being.

Anonymous said...

Uhh....yuck.

“Men’s Rights Activist” was maybe the first tip-off to an odious character, but this blog is more repellent than I could’ve possibly imagined.

Gally said...

Clearly there is much confusion and prejudice to address in regards to western culture's indoctrinated views of sexuality, here.

Good news, I have finally been able to set aside some time do do that, a guest post is in the planning for finalization this friday so that if Eivind feels it is a-okay then there's the weekend for you to pour over it and try and see if you can find something to condemn me for.

Life is in essence a struggle for allocating resources and distributing them amongst reciprocally inclined allies sharing common goals, and the gods look down on mankind and my witness me and my works, I share their sentiments: "As you with my contemners, so with you my grace shall deal".

Gally said...

Also, y'all geniouses may want to read up on the Sapir-Whorf hypothesis: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linguistic_relativity

Because I am done with sweet-talking simpletons who are only interested in condomning others to feel more adequate in all their incompetence.

Anonymous said...

https://kotaku.com/subnautica-dev-fired-over-hateful-statements-1822746373

john said...

Eivind,ive been reading your tweets and I gotta tell you you're doing a great job dealing with a bunch of closed minded fucking idiots using common sense and logic.believe me if I hadn't been forced off twitter AGAIN I'd be in there backing you up!you have way more patience than I do.fuck 'Hannah Wallen' god I hate her. too bad none of your followers are backing you up!are they all asleep?! Of course im not at all surprised. WHENEVER I got into it with any feminist I got zero backup.pity about
salling.if I had been in his shoes,of course I wouldn't have trusted ANYONE but especially a female?! But after making the mistake of his life I guarantee she, his girlfriend, wouldve went WITH me. "ladies" first of course!

Eivind Berge said...

Thanks, John. Yeah, I've been putting a lot of effort into Twitter lately. Not sure if it's worth it, but it's sort of fun. Been reported a lot too but Twitter has not listened to them and instead sent me emails with this result regarding a bunch of specific tweets: "We have investigated the reported content and could not identify any violations of the Twitter Rules (https://support.twitter.com/articles/18311) or applicable law. Accordingly, we have not taken any action at this time." So that is good.

John said...

That's very good news.i was concerned you'd be disappearing on there at any moment.im finished on Twitter obviously.ill miss it but I won't miss the manginas and morons.i don't suffer fools well at all! I hate America mainly because it hates me but I'm stuck here.i didn't grow up in a feminist fucking police state and I don't like it one damn bit.and we've got "men" tweeting at me "kill all men" starting with me? Brainwashed scum really.i guess the answer is just not make any waves.theyre watching me,and well,everyone now.can you imagine a 'men's march"?! We'd be seriously injured/killed/jailed.meanwhile,misandry/gynocentrism just GROWS.this metoo bullshit has me very irritated.but what can be done.

vitriolic said...

I've never seen such an collection of paedophile apologists in my life. And forget about your sick and twisted view that it is a victimless crime. Children are being abused, they ARE victims. You sickos should be put on a gulag somewhere that ensures the rest of humanity is safe from you psychopaths.
By the way, do you lot masturbate outside schools and children's playgrounds? If you should do so I would be delighted to disembowel the lot of you. And don't fool yourselves that you are 'men'. You are nothing but a bunch of inadequates who are incapable of any normal human relationships whether they are sexual or otherwise.
You think the metoo movement is bullshit? So you think that rape is also acceptable as well as all the other filth that you believe in. And if that scum from Glee was murdered I am sure that the taxpayers of America will be pleased at not having to pay to keep him in prison.
And by the way, child pornography is not an 'Inane crime', you sick wankers.

Anonymous said...

"The suffering of the intelligent is among the sweetest pleasures of the stupid" - R.M. Huber

Anonymous said...

HEY ALL SEE THIS!!!!

http://www.renegadetribune.com/tom-grauer-jewish-leader-paedophile-movement/

John said...

I don't know why I'm going to even bother trying to explain some common sense to some fools but ill give it a go.the simple viewing of/possession of child porn should not be illegal and no one should be put in jail/prison for it.its just THAT simple.i DON'T posses any myself, of course.if I did, I wouldn't be on here or anywhere talking about.yes the me too movement is bullshit and nope a woman cannot "rape" a man.you need to get these memes/myths out of your head.for example, if some fine looking teacher wants to come over to my place and rape me,let me know so i can clean the place up a bit, buy some nice wine,maybe some candles..

John said...

Moreover I also have some other "crazy" beliefs.i think, for instance that possession of cannabis should also not be illegal! yes,I'm quite the "radical" extremist aren't I? And Aziz ansari'? This guy did NOTHING wrong.no "rape" occurred there.just a woman who apparently experienced some bad sex? well,his career is over.these women go up to these famous millionaires hotel rooms expecting what? To play stratego? so,women are naive children is the strategic? It's a war on men(and boys) period.thats why I will never ask a woman out ever again, or EVER be alone with one heavens no.do I automatically believe every/anything a woman says.lol nah I know them too well.my own mother was the queen of liars.now having a bad date is rape?! America has turned into one nasty place to be a man, and it's going to get a LOT worse imo..

John said...

Yes apparently so.and being intelligent is no fun, it's actually a burden.to understand and accept their are no gods and no free will, doesn't exactly 'free' you.truth really does NOT set you free.then,you discover women hate/envy men.wow I did not realize THAT when I was growing up.no one told me! So I learned the hard way.now I must avoid them, even ONLINE at all COSTS.the more I learn, the more depressed I get.

Eivind Berge said...

I do recommend that everyone check out this link:

http://www.renegadetribune.com/tom-grauer-jewish-leader-paedophile-movement/

Isn't it exciting to be part of a Jewish conspiracy? :-)

The Men's Movement is finally going somewhere, yay!

Anonymous said...

The weather has been so bad in the last few days... Oops, it must be because of the Jews!

John said...

Oh Yes! I've always wanted to be part of a Jewish conspiracy,lol! Gotta agree
ANY movement in the men's movement is a positive.its been dead in the water for years.. and that phony "mra" wallen ooo i'd love to tell her off in real life,real time.that would be SO sweeet..

vitriolic said...
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John said...

Lmao!oh you cracked me up pretty good there partner! Just to be clear AGAIN.I've never looked at ANY child porn.think I want to go to prison for 10 years? Uh nope.you need to cut down on the vitriol.ive made this obvious point many times before but *sigh* ill do it again if I must.looking at ANY porn is a victimless crime.i also have been very vocal for a long long time against the police vaiting,setting up men to "meet" someone.THAT also is pure thoughtcrime with ZERO victims.btw,anytime ANY police agency wants to check out my "mobile device" for kiddie porn they are welcome too and fuckit they can HAVE this phone I don't even want it back,lol. it's no i phone!

vitriolic said...

To John at 7:04:00,
You believe that watching child pornography should not be illegal? Sex with minors is illegal, as you well know. So you are happy to look at photos/film of children being made to perform sex acts/sexual posing even though you are fully aware of the laws which are there to protect children from human filth such as yourself? You do realise that fuckwits, like you, are enablers? If anyone ever laid a finger on my young daughter they'd end up swinging from the nearest lamp post.
By the way don't try and intellectualise paedophila, it just makes you sound even more pathetic and inadequate than you already are! if it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck......well, you know the rest!
Are you Sidney Cooke?
https://www.theguardian.com/uk/2000/feb/20/tonythompson.theobserver

vitriolic said...

And by the way, the Collins' dictionary definition of a paedophile is anyone who is sexually attracted to children. So the commenter, up thread, who stated that paedophiles are only paedophiles if they sexually abuse children and those who 'only' look at child porn are not. Well, not according to the Collins dictionary.
And you can scream as much as you like, and throw all your toys out of the pram, but you are a paedophile so deal with it!
And the piece of scum who stated that sexually abusing babies is very rare. Uhhhh,no. I worked for over a year in a GUM clinic and I was shocked at the number of abused babies, and other very young children, that we saw in the clinic who were suffering from STIs would make a decent human being's head explode with anger and disgust. Most of the nursing staff have to be rotated to wards or other clinical area because they would be burnt out with the stress and anxiety of working in such a difficult environment.

john said...

OK,well I ready made my point.im not going to get sucked into repeating myself.simple logic goes right over you head, I can't help that fool.

Anonymous said...

"Sex with minors is illegal, as you well know."

Sex with minors aged 16 years of age is legal on 85 percent of the Earth, and in many others it is at 14 or 15, as in France, do not say nonsense and inform yourself before coming here.

"So you are happy to look at photos/film of children being made to perform sex acts/sexual posing even though you are fully aware of the laws which are there to protect children from human filth such as yourself?"

So.. Why is images of children being murdered or tortured are legal? Why photos of dead children are legal? Are you a fucking necrophiliac? just like your government and its laws you love so much, it looks like a kid's dignity is worth shit as long as they don't fuck him in the ass. Laws for necrophiliacs who like to watch children die. Disgusting.

If it's legal to fuck at 16, it must be legal to take fucking pictures of it. Do your neurons understand something that simple?

"If anyone ever laid a finger on my young daughter they'd end up swinging from the nearest lamp post."

You are so damned narrow-minded that you repeat every empty and foolish threat that exists. You don't even have a personality. If you tried to do something to me I'd throw you down a mountain ravine, see if blowing your shitty head off some of your neurons start to work.

"By the way don't try and intellectualise paedophila"

At least we intellectualise "pedophila", you only use literature to wipe your ass. I don't know how you even managed to turn on the computer.

john said...

Hey Eivind I read that HILarious article. Don't keep me in suspense any longer! Are you a 'real white man��'or a 'crypto Jew'��?! haha that article had everything.and I did not know it all leads to cannibalism�� AND necrophilia! who knew?!��

john said...

Well said. I have so little patience for these "holier than thou" nitwits I just stop replying eventually.

Eivind Berge said...

Me as a Jew was news to me, but why not? That was such a glowing description of our movement that we should all try to live up to it. And by all means get our real Jewish allies on board as well. This is how we win a culture war, folks.

john said...

Entertaining to be sure. but all im reading /receiving are threats and add hominems.i wasn't kidding when I said the pigs, ER I mean police basically told me to get off twitter.the power of just one "verified" misandrist,oops i meant "feminist" got me off twitter I could start yet another new account but why really. I just might get into blogging as you suggested

vitriolic said...

John-you really are one twisted fuckwit. BTW, you probably wipe your arse with your hands, you pathetic little man. You seem to have massive issues regarding women. Why? Mummy must have worked it out that her little Johnny can't get an erection without wanking over pics of naked three year olds.
And as I said earlier, if any adult male ever touches my ten year old child, they will be strung-up, and squealing like a pig.

Ah well, as least we all know where the arsehole of the Universe is located. IT's right here, right now!

john said...

Oh calm down nobody even wants your obese gift brat. Now teach her to "smash that patriarchy" so she'll grow to to hate/fear all men, including you of course, haha

john said...

And matter if fact I DO have massive issues with western women anyway.they want all men locked up including you.!and being a mangina WON'T save you. they always say "kill all men" "abort your baby" if it's male" all men are rapists and toxic" "ban all men" that's what these "leading" feminists say constantly.and yeah I have issues with that. Emily linden Said right on twitter:"men can gain much from being falsely accused of rape" really? I could go on and on..

Anonymous said...

As I feared, vitriolic has not answered us why his government and the laws he loves so much allow necrophic images with children.

Anonymous said...

It is rumoured that she cannot access this site anymore because she is not capable of getting through the traffic signs spam test...

Anonymous said...

You.....find a person that looks like a ten year old girl......sexy?

God, I hope you are a registered sex offender and not one of the ones who hasn't been caught yet.

Anonymous said...

So,anyway,this bitch @justkelly_ok on twitter. LIVES to play victim of ALL the "harassment" she gets.dum dum if you actually wanted the "torture" to end "protect your tweets" or get offline like the judge advised her to do when she went to court to.. can ya guess why? Yep to get a restraining order against another of her endless "stalkers" check this ginormous bitch out..shes got some old painting of two women killing some guy as her header!
So her manginas say "men should all be banned off twitter"!oh,and her female "fans" agree With her of course.i nominate this unemployed/unemployable "verified" worst cunt ON twitter! Thats saying a lot i was on twitter for years.

Eivind Berge said...

But why do you need to interact with her? Can't you just use Twitter and ignore her? Or else she would be the one stalking you...

John said...

Just like well, EVERYTHING twitter is "run" by women/misandrists and it really pisses me off.when does America just IMPLODE? I fuckin hate it here.these sjw scum have ruined movies, and just being male in America SUCKS.i want that Dow to fuckin crash and burn,and finally it looks like it's starting to! GOOD.fuck the billionaires and this lousy matriarchy.

John said...

Yes!they notify her when I start a new account and she's got some blocking app that blocks everyone following say, you or me.i didn't interact with her this last time.so I'm done on there and you KNOW they're going to complaining forever about you.they bitched until this ender dude got banned,he came back,banned again.

John said...

So,it appears to me that they're attempting to and succeeding in censoring people on Twitter but also to drive anyone with certain views,AND male of course, off twitter.

John said...

Anyway,I know it's *kinda* off topic but I'm just sick of the misandry.jodie foster, that royal bitch said "pretty much all men over 30 are sexual abusers" can you believe that? That privileged bitch..and she also had her 2 boys pretty much raised to be manginas.no men were *allowed* to be near her kids and private school naturally.twitter DOES expose women for what they all are man haters.

Anonymous said...

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/feb/06/tennessee-sheriff-caught-on-tape-killing-suspect-lawsuit

John said...

Yea,oh no don't even get me started on these pig fuckers cops.i actually hate the pigs more than all the feminist and manginas put together.it would be my honor to be the commandant of say treblinka with ALL the prisoners cops and feminists.wouldnt even have to pay me.lets just say,they'd rather have the cenobites running the show instead of me.oh the fun I would have oh my

John said...

Here's what's on the news here 24/7 'putin meddled in "our" election.even if it's true, why would I care,and btw, glorious Amerikkka has not only "meddled" in fuckin dozens of countries
But has the nerve to scold China and Russia over human rights?! Right now,the u.s is bombing Syria and shouldn't even be IN Syria. And yeah blowing kids to pieces is a ok,I've seen pics of kids that ill never forget coming out of the me, yet if i were to look at cp thats somehow worse?!.the hypocrisy has hit a new low.oh yeah, heh this female judge who went WAYYY over the line with her comments in open court against saller? She's being hailed as a "hero"! that's another problem--female judges.dont need em don't want em they're biased as all hell of course.but nothing ever in the news about the evils of feminism it's nothing but "great".STILL spouting the long debunked "gender wage gap" and the absurd 1 in 3 raped.

Gally said...

Reading "A Slave's Guide to the Galaxy" by candlelight up on a mountain cabin all by myself, after a day's work of preparing material for a computer security introduction for persecuted journalists, and jotting down a page's worth of points for my upcoming guest post.
And enjoying a few shots, and somd light entertainment.

Life is good, and little sycophant prostitutes for police propaganda perversions of psychology such as this one does not faze me in the slightest: https://www.aftenposten.no/meninger/debatt/i/J1xxwP/Han-ser-jo-ikke-ut-som-en-pedofil--Svein-Overland

For Truth is marching on: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=h2XTsWgN0CU

Eivind Berge said...

No surprise that "psychologist" Svein Øverland is an adviser to the police. He has just the right psychopathy that they require.

Anonymous said...

Eivind, Men vi vet at pedofili er en av de sterkeste predikatorene vi har for overgrep mot barn, og at nedlasting i seg selv øker risiko for overgrep.

Gally said...

I have noticed that the police seems to have a tendency to make use of "expert opinions" from "experts" who are either psychopants, inept and incompetent enough not to know it themselves, straight out liars or simply as you say, psychopathic enough that things such as facts, the truth in the case, and the realities of the matter such as the widely held opinion of an entire mental profession and even the police's own statistics on "child" "pornography" and the near total lack of correlation between that issue on the one hand and the totally unrelated issue of contact "offense", do not matter.
They totally and completely do not care about reality, as long as the can grin, make other fools like them, get their spot in the limelight and get their whore-money.

Gally said...

Piss meg en elv.
Det vet VI som faktisk har lest om dette, at er BLANK LØGN.

Og Michael Seto sin rapport sa, etter minnet, 51% .
Det er politisk, nettopp for at man skal komme med slike påstander.

Her har du noen av mine: 99,9999999999% av det som er definert som "dokumentasjon på overgrep begått mot barn", har ingen verdens ting med overgrep eller barn å gjøre.

Faktisk er det kun rundt en prosent av nedlasterne som selv har seksuell kontakt med umyndige i lovens forstand, og DET VET POLITIET.

DE HAR DATABASER PÅ DETTE OG GJENNOMGÅENDE STATISTIKK FRA ANAL TIL NESEBOR.

Men hei. Hvorfor hause ned stemningen for en god business-model, som også politikerne kan misbruke som avledningsmanøver?

Eivind Berge said...

"Men vi vet at pedofili er en av de sterkeste predikatorene vi har for overgrep mot barn..."

This is a trivial statement bordering on tautology when the practice of pedophilia is criminalized as "abuse" by definition. It still does not excuse thoughtcrime like child porn possession. Or are you saying that pedophiles should be hunted because of their orientation alone?

"...og at nedlasting i seg selv øker risiko for overgrep."

No, you don't know that. Did you do a randomized, controlled trial where one group were told to download child porn and the other not to see who went on to commit the most abuse? If not, you can't demonstrate causation. I do not doubt that downloaders of child porn are more likely to commit "abuse" than the population in general, but as far as I know this is only because they are more likely to be pedophiles.

Gally said...

Faktisk er det omvendt: For alle land som har blitt studert, så korrellerer tilgangen til nedlasting av mild barnepornografi, med FÆRRE overgrep mot barn.
Fordi de pedofile benytter etisk produsert myk-pornografi som et substitutt.

Check my lyrics og se om det ikke stemmer, briatches.

...men slikt skaper jo ikke karrierer for politiet, i likhet med at kampen mot narkotika må jo inkludere hasj...

Anonymous said...

Ifølge denne nyere undersøgelse er pædofili prediktor (ikke "predikator") for "at tage vare på og opmuntre til vækst eller udvikling af et barn":

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/fnhum.2017.00645/full

Eivind Berge said...

Ja, det gir mening. Jeg snakket om materiale som viser VIRKELIGE overgrep, som de fleste pedofile selv ikke ville funnet på å utføre. Det kan godt hende du kan finne høyere andel overgripere i den gruppen, men den er så forsvinnende liten ut av det som nå rammes av loven at det blir meningsløst å trekke den konklusjonen. Og selv for dem er det høyst tvilsomt at porno fører til overgrep. Hele den ideen er bisarr, og henger ikke på greip med det vi ellers vet om pornografi, nemlig at det fører til mindre seksualitet i praksis (som er grunnen til at jeg holder meg unna). Altså samme teori som:

https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/

Hvorfor skulle ikke det også gjelde pedofile?

Gally said...

Oh, and where "Check my Lyrics" comes from: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=N02t6UmDps4 @ 4:04

Enjoy!

Anonymous said...

This blog just shows the human stupidity is a disgusting garbage I'm just saying that those who created it had a psychological problem and need a doctor to help them even though they no longer have a remedy.
With this blog I finally learned what are the limits of the awful pessimistic human stupidity if you are going to read it make sure you don't have anything dangerous around you can cause suicidal desires.
Whoever reads this crap must have a bigger trauma than the creator.

Anonymous said...

https://reason.com/blog/2018/02/08/22-year-old-woman-facing-sexual-assault

Anonymous said...

https://twitter.com/MissMagensEcho/status/962168235276849158

Eivind Berge said...

Yes, 18-year-old men clearly need to be protected from falling in love with 22-year-old women, because that would be sexual assault. This is what feminists literally believe. And there is no sign that they can understand how absurd it is.

Anonymous said...

Nonce

John said...

Completely fucking ridiculous.and all these morons can come back with is personal insults.once again, where are your followers at? Scared of being banned off twitter it seems.

Anonymous said...

holocaust21 banned of MGTOW reddit because this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/MGTOW/comments/7wk1nb/manosphere_10_collapsed_because_it_refused_to/?ref=share&ref_source=embed&utm_content=title&utm_medium=post_embed&utm_name=4e3b59ad703f4247ac9503a152af39a8&utm_source=embedly&utm_term=7wk1nb

Eivind Berge said...

So he was banned for sharing this link:

https://dailyantifeminist.wordpress.com/2018/01/31/manosphere-1-0-collapsed-because-it-refused-to-earnestly-discuss-teenage-sexuality/

It is a good post which expresses truth. The Manosphere 1.0 failed because only a handful of us were truly antifeminist and pro-male-sexuality. Let's do it right this time, gentlemen. I don't have the energy to write a new blog post every day, but I am very glad to see that Tom Grauer does just that, and he does it extremely well. There is finally hope for the Men's Movement.

Even leaving all attraction to minors aside, the old Manosphere couldn't even consistently oppose blatant feminist sex-hostility directed squarely at teleiophiles such as the expansion of rape law, the sexual harassment industry or revenge porn laws. All of these developments were allowed to progress unchecked, and here we are with even less opposition to them. If true opposition means joining forces with the pedosphere, then so be it.

Eivind Berge said...

Actually I don't have time for anything other than Twitter if I am going to keep arguing with the current shitstorm (which I won't do for much longer). My tweet about Mark Salling has been viewed 28,000 times, and this morning I woke up to 1000 mentions, most of them saying I should be imprisoned or killed, and all because of calling child porn possession a victimless crime. This is the depth of delusion and hatred we are up against, folks.

John said...

Isn't that some shit? I hope you don't lose your account on Twitter because we know these morons have nothing better to do but report us to twitter and or call the police.i am nowhere near as hopeful as you are obviously.we are few against tens of millions.not good odds.

Eivind Berge said...

I must have been reported hundreds of times now, and so far Twitter has taken no action. Of course it could happen any time, but so far so good. What it does conclusively show, however, is that most people are incapable of discussing this subject -- they just want to kill you as soon as they hear that you disagree with any sex law.

John said...

Or lock you up for just for the rest of your life. They had a news bit about a guy who's had a few 'driving while license suspended' and they asked the the 'man on the street' what should be done and they all said put him away for life! Because the usual tripe that 'us taxpayer's' are paying for his arrests/time in jail.'tough on crime'etc. I myself was pulled over by the cops 3 times in january.NO citations were issued, but this is life in a police state.once you get on their radar screen it's forever.

John said...

Oh yes I completely agree.were already despised for being anti feminism, might as well go all the way.these dolts really want to lock up a 22 year old woman for having sex with an 18 year old man? Stunning.

Eivind Berge said...

Well, there is one benefit of already being known to the police, and that is all this reporting is having no effect. Just a bunch of dumb-asses telling the police what they already know -- that I am an activist against hateful sex laws.

John said...

True! and I told the police hey, check this woman out, Google her name.LONG history of suing men, getting 'restraining orders'and such,so yes she's cried wolf way too many times to be taken seriously, but I still deactivated that account.IF I go back on Twitter i really shouldn't rt her man hating tweets-- difficult for me NOT to go at these feminists!

John said...

So,I've noticed most of the idiots attacking you on Twitter are 'trumspsters' 'trumpets'. how shocking.this particular breed of fools STILL support Trump,and that's really embarrassing.

Anonymous said...

You can use this against these trumpters:

Donald Trump to 10 year old Girl: "I'm going to be dating her in 10 years. Can you believe it?"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Jz4KtNvVkU

F*cking Nonce LOL

holocaust21 said...

"What it does conclusively show, however, is that most people are incapable of discussing this subject -- they just want to kill you as soon as they hear that you disagree with any sex law."

I am not sure of this. I think it is more a problem of the fact that you are arguing with political people who likely have some stake in wanting tough sex laws so inevitably they will be more toxic. Plus it is Twitter and the whole point of Twitter is to just go on there and shout at people. There's not much else you can say in 140 characters.

Undoubtedly I think the general public do have a negative perception of sex crimes, but 'normal people' are probably likely to be less hard line than the ones you see on the internet (and in politics). Though that could also partly be because a lot of Americans are on the internet and they are the worst for sex crime hysteria. In fact, they are responsible for driving it...!

John said...

Oh yes I've seen that video but facts and logic are lost on these Trump supporters and feminists of course and they ran me off Twitter again anyway.great time to be a billionaire though.

Anonymous said...

What do you say holocaust21 about "political people"? those Twitter people are just middle-class or working-class scum, not more nor less. Work to death and to scape their miserable existence: sports, beer and date and fuck other pathetic"adults" (they are irrational animals, they don't think about anything else, so the Overlords say to them: "fuck X and you can't fuck Y" and that's it all), they're just affeminate and stupid masses (as Hitler said, they only serve to be deceive and obey), they are not rational being so don't deserve our precious time!!

Eivind Berge said...

I agree, they are not so political. Many of them seem to have lives which revolve around a football club and not much else, but the hate against a different sexual morality is always the same. It's funny how when a tweet goes viral and gets retweeted with condemnation it makes its way through one subculture at a time, because members of a subculture follow each other. Right now it's the soccer fans who predominate, and yesterday it was feminists who hate trans-men. You could tell because they all describe themselves as "female women" in their profiles. Those are indeed political, but working-class people are just as hateful.

Eivind Berge said...

Sorry, I meant they hate trans-women, not men, because their feminism is so strong. That is apparently a big movement all of its own now.

John said...

Football and don't forget 'pizzagate','chemtrails' and benghazi! it all adds up to one dumbed down nation.

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